Qubes Mailing Lists

Discussion list guidelines

Qubes discussions take place on two mailing lists: qubes-users and qubes-devel, both of which are explained below. Please send all questions regarding Qubes to one of these two lists. Please do not send questions to individual Qubes developers. By sending a message to the appropriate mailing list, you are not only giving others a chance to help you, but you may also be helping others by starting a public discussion about a shared problem or interest.

These are open mailing lists where people freely come together to discuss Qubes and voluntarily help each other out of mutual interest and good will. They are not your personal, paid support service. No one owes you a reply. No one here is responsible for solving your problems for you. Nonetheless, there are many things you can do to make it more likely that you will receive a reply. This community is fortunate to have an exceptionally large number of friendly and knowledgeable people who enjoy corresponding on these lists. The vast majority of them will be happy to help you if you follow these simple guidelines.

  • Be polite and respectful. Remember, no one here is under any obligation to reply to you. Think about your readers. Most of them are coming home after a long, hard day at work. The last thing they need is someone’s temper tantrum in their inboxes. If you are rude and disrespectful, you are very likely to be ignored.

  • Be concise. Include only essential information. Most of your readers lead busy lives and have precious little time. We want to spend some of that time helping you, if we can. But if you ramble, it will be easier to skip over you and help someone else who gets right to the point.

  • Help us help you. Tell us what you’ve already tried, and which documentation pages you’ve already read. Put yourself in your readers’ shoes. What essential information would they require in order to be able to help you? Make sure to include that information in your message. Ask questions the smart way.

  • Be patient. Do not “bump” a thread more than once every three days at most. If it seems like your messages to the mailing lists are consistently being ignored, make sure you’re following the guidelines explained on this page. If you’re already doing so but still not getting any replies, then it’s likely that no one who knows the answer has had time to reply yet. Remember that the devs are very busy working on Qubes. They usually only have a chance to answer questions on the mailing lists once every several days.

  • Be a good community member. As with any social community, members of the mailing list earn different reputations for themselves over time. We want the mailing lists to be a friendly, productive place where information and ideas are exchanged for the mutual benefit of all. We understand that the best way to achieve this is to encourage and cultivate other like-minded individuals. Those who have shown themselves to be good community members through their past contributions have earned our good will, and we will be especially eager to help them and collaborate with them. If you are new to the community, you should understand that it will take time for you to earn the good will of others. This does not mean that you will not receive help. On the contrary, we are fortunate to have such a helpful and understanding community that many of them spend hours of their personal time helping complete strangers, including many who post to the lists anonymously. (Given the integration of Qubes with Whonix, we understand better than most the complexities of privacy and anonymity, and we know that many users have no other choice but to post anonymously.) You can read our project’s Code of Conduct for more information.

Specific rules and notes

  • Send your message to the correct list. Read the sections below to determine which list is correct for your message.
  • Do not top-post.
  • Include a precise and informative subject line. This will allow others to easily find your thread in the future and use it as a reference. (Bad: “Help! Qubes problems!” Good: “R2B2 Installation problem: Apple keyboard not working in installer.”)
  • If your message is not successfully sent to the list, it probably got caught in the spam filter. We check the spam filter regularly, so please be patient, and your message should be approved (and your email address added to the whitelist) within a few days.
  • Keep the mailing list CCed throughout the conversation unless there’s a special need for privacy (in which case, use PGP encryption). This increases the likelihood that a greater quantity of useful information will be available to everyone in the future.
  • Quote appropriately. If you’re replying to a thread (whether your own or someone else’s), you should make sure to quote enough from previous messages in the thread so that people reading your message can understand the context without having to find and read earlier messages from that thread. Each reply should continue the conversation and, ideally, be readable as a conversation in itself. Do not quote advertisements in signatures or inline PGP signature blocks. (Quoting the latter interferes with the ability of programs like Enigmail to properly quote replies thereafter).
  • If you do not speak English, you should feel free to post in your own language. However, bear in mind that most members of the list can only read English. You may wish to include an automated translation in your message out of consideration for those readers. If you choose to write in English, please do not apologize for doing so poorly, as it is unnecessary. We understand and will ask for clarification if needed.
  • While we’re generally open to hearing suggestions for new features, please note that we already have a pretty well defined roadmap, and it’s rather unlikely that we will change our schedule in order to accommodate your request. If there’s a particular feature you’d like to see in Qubes, a much more effective way to make it happen is to contribute a patch that implements it. We happily accept such contributions, provided they meet our standards. Please note, however, that it’s always a good idea to field a discussion of your idea on the qubes-devel list before putting in a lot of hard work on something that we may not be able or willing to accept.

qubes-users

How to use this list

This list is for helping users solve various daily problems with Qubes OS. Examples of topics or questions suitable for this list include:

  • HCL reports
  • Installation problems
  • Hardware compatibility problems
  • Questions of the form: “How do I…?”

Read these first

Please try searching both the Qubes website and the archives of the mailing lists before sending a question. In addition, please make sure that you have read and understood the following basic documentation prior to posting to the list:

How to subscribe and post

Google Groups

You don’t have to subscribe in order to post to this list. However, subscribing might nonetheless be desirable, as it ensures that your messages will not be eaten by the Google Groups spam filter and allows you to receive messages which were sent directly to the list.

  • To subscribe to the list, send a blank email to qubes-users+subscribe@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: A Gmail account is not required. Any email address will work.
  • To post a message to the list, address your email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: You don’t have to be subscribed in order to post.
  • To unsubscribe, send a blank email to qubes-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
  • This list also has a Google Groups web interface.
    • Some users prefer to interact with the mailing list through the web interface. This has the advantage that it allows you to search and reply to messages which were sent prior to your subscription to the list. However, a Google account is required in order to post through this interface.
  • You can also search the traditional mail archive

Gmane

The mailing list is also available via Gmane, a service that provides mailing lists in the form of newsgroups. This makes it possible for you to subscribe and read all mails sent to the list without having them all sent to your normal mail account. To use Gmane, you need a newsreader such as Mozilla Thunderbird.

To add Gmane’s server to Thunderbird, follow the instructions in Mozilla Thunderbird’s documentation for how to add newsgroups. In the fourth step replace news.mozilla.org with news.gmane.org.

  • To subscribe to the list, click on Subscribe… and search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.user. Click on the checkbox besides the name and OK.
  • You send and reply to mails the same way you would normally.
  • To unsubscribe from the list, click on Subscribe… search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.user, uncheck the checkbox, and click on OK. Thunderbird will automatically remove the newsgroup.

qubes-announce

This is a read-only list for those who wish to receive only very important, infrequent messages. Only the core Qubes team can post to this list, and only Qubes Security Bulletins (QSBs) and new Qubes OS releases are announced here.

How to subscribe

Google Groups

  • To subscribe to the list, send a blank email to qubes-announce+subscribe@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: A Gmail account is not required. Any email address will work.
  • To unsubscribe, send a blank email to qubes-announce+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
  • This list can also be browsed via an optional Google Groups web interface.

qubes-devel

How to use this list

This list is primarily intended for people who are interested in contributing to Qubes or who are willing to learn more about its architecture and implementation. Examples of topics and questions suitable for this list include:

  • Questions about why we made certain architecture or implementation decisions.
    • For example: “Why did you implement XYZ this way and not the other way?”
  • Questions about code layout and where code is for certain functionality.
  • Discussions about proposed new features, patches, etc.
    • For example: “I would like to implement feature XYZ.”
  • Contributed code and patches.
  • Security discussions which are relevant to Qubes in some way.

How to subscribe and post

Google Groups

You must be subscribed in order to post to this list.

  • To subscribe to the list, send a blank email to qubes-devel+subscribe@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: A Gmail account is not required. Any email address will work.
  • To post a message to the list, address your email to qubes-devel@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: You must be subscribed in order to post. If your post does not appear, please allow time for moderation to occur.
  • To unsubscribe, send a blank email to qubes-devel+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
  • This list has a Google Groups web interface.
    • Some users prefer to interact with the mailing list through the web interface. This has the advantage that it allows you to search and reply to messages which were sent prior to your subscription to the list. However, a Google account is required in order to post through this interface.
  • You can also search the traditional mail archive

Gmane

The mailing list is also available via Gmane, a service that provides mailing lists in the form of newsgroups. This makes it possible for you to subscribe and read all mails sent to the list without having them all sent to your normal mail account. To use Gmane, you need a newsreader such as Mozilla Thunderbird.

To add Gmane’s server to Thunderbird, follow the instructions in Mozilla Thunderbird’s documentation for how to add newsgroups. In the fourth step replace news.mozilla.org with news.gmane.org.

  • To subscribe to the list, click on Subscribe… and search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.devel. Click on the checkbox besides the name and OK.
  • You send and reply to mails the same way you would normally.
  • To unsubscribe from the list, click on Subscribe… search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.devel, uncheck the checkbox, and click on OK. Thunderbird will automatically remove the newsgroup.

qubes-project

How to use this list

This list is for non-technical discussion and coordination around the Qubes OS project.

Examples of topics or question suitable for this list include:

  • Participation (talks, workshops, etc.) at upcoming events
  • Project funding applications and strategies
  • FOSS governance discussions
  • Most Github issues tagged “business

How to subscribe and post

Google Groups

You don’t have to subscribe in order to post to this list. However, subscribing might nonetheless be desirable, as it ensures that your messages will not be eaten by the Google Groups spam filter and allows you to receive messages which were sent directly to the list.

  • To subscribe to the list, send a blank email to qubes-project+subscribe@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: A Gmail account is not required. Any email address will work.
  • To post a message to the list, address your email to qubes-project@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: You don’t have to be subscribed in order to post.
  • To unsubscribe, send a blank email to qubes-project+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
  • This list also has a Google Groups web interface.
    • Some users prefer to interact with the mailing list through the web interface. This has the advantage that it allows you to search and reply to messages which were sent prior to your subscription to the list. However, a Google account is required in order to post through this interface.

Gmane

The mailing list is also available via Gmane, a service that provides mailing lists in the form of newsgroups. This makes it possible for you to subscribe and read all mails sent to the list without having them all sent to your normal mail account. To use Gmane, you need a newsreader such as Mozilla Thunderbird.

To add Gmane’s server to Thunderbird, follow the instructions in Mozilla Thunderbird’s documentation for how to add newsgroups. In the fourth step replace news.mozilla.org with news.gmane.org.

  • To subscribe to the list, click on Subscribe… and search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.project. Click on the checkbox besides the name and OK.
  • You send and reply to mails the same way you would normally.
  • To unsubscribe from the list, click on Subscribe… search for the newsgroup gmane.os.qubes.project, uncheck the checkbox, and click on OK. Thunderbird will automatically remove the newsgroup.

qubes-translation

How to use this list

This list is for discussion around the localization and translation of Qubes OS, its documentation, and the website.

Examples of topics or question suitable for this list include:

  • Questions about or issues with Transifex, the translation platform we use
  • Who is managing localization for a given language
  • Most Github issues tagged “localization

How to subscribe and post

Google Groups

You must be subscribed in order to post to this list.

  • To subscribe to the list, send a blank email to qubes-translation+subscribe@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: A Gmail account is not required. Any email address will work.
  • To post a message to the list, address your email to qubes-translation@googlegroups.com.
    • Note: You don’t have to be subscribed in order to post.
  • To unsubscribe, send a blank email to qubes-translation+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
  • This list also has a Google Groups web interface.
    • Some users prefer to interact with the mailing list through the web interface. This has the advantage that it allows you to search and reply to messages which were sent prior to your subscription to the list. However, a Google account is required in order to post through this interface.